[quote=Roberto;665806]Freightpuppy, I keep repeating this but it doesn't seem to sink in. We didn't fix "FO" rates. We changed the longevity scale, favoring those between 2-8 years of longevity at the expense of those with 9 or more years. Long-time FO's will be making less as a result.

Roberto,

You seem to be concerned more with semantics, rather than facts.

Fact: UPS F/O pay is the best in the industry.

Fact: UPS F/O pay improved significantly over the previous contract.

Fact: UPS F/O's will upgrade much later due to age 65.

I don't mean to sound negative, and it doesn't matter what you choose to label it. I am grateful that UPS F/O pay has improved since I will be an F/O most of my career.

Also, the time value of money (and being in a lower tax bracket) mean that higher F/O pay rates (for a long time) are worth more to me than "higher" Captain rates. If there were 7 year upgrades, it would be different (but it's not!)

I do NOT want to give up the A plan. I do see that UPS will try to buy it out, or eliminate it for those hired in the future.