Originally Posted by
John Pennekamp
WOW!
If the TA couldn't pass the MEC unanimously, that really should say something about it.
Gotta agree with JP on this. A TA not passing the MEC unanimously is a very rare event. On the other hand, what it really shows is that the MEC was so apathetic that they weren't keeping an eye on what the negotiating committee was doing. If I was still a DTW PCL pilot, I would be looking for answers as to why these guys didn't fix the situation before it was too late.
Originally Posted by
HIREME
unfortunately, many people here think it will take years to get to this point again if we vote it down..
Unfortunately, that may be true. It would have almost certainly been true if the MEC had actually voted it down rather than sending it for a pilot group vote. The NMB doesn't take kindly to unions that don't police their own negotiators, and they likely would have parked you for 6 months if the TA had been rejected by the MEC. There's less chance of that happening now if the pilot group votes it down, but your MEC will have lost a lot of credibility with the NMB, and you may be in better shape replacing them if they don't get you a quick turnaround on a new TA within a couple of months of rejecting this one.
Originally Posted by
John Pennekamp
ALPA threatened to pull the plug on their negotiations after 5+ years (happened to us too).
Not true. ALPA did make it clear to them that the NMB was not going to be pleased if they hung up negotiations on the dual qual issue (the only remaining issue for the past couple of months), but they never threatened to "pull the plug" on negotiations.
Originally Posted by
bohicagain
nice to see that the DTW Reps have balls
Again, you should ask them why they allowed this NC to bring them a substandard TA. It's their job to provide oversight and guidance to the NC. If they didn't , then they are the ones responsible for the bad TA.
Originally Posted by
Noseeums
Shouldn't you be more concerned with the fact that the MEC just passed a concessionary TA?
It may not be very good, but it's far from concessionary.