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Old 08-22-2009 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Settle down, francis.

I don't work for Pinnacle; the closest I came to it was riding in the 9E jumpseat many times between IND-PHL when I worked at Air Wisconsin.

I'm not saying that your TA isn't disappointing (haven't seen it), and yeah its detrimental to the industry as a whole that proposed payrates are less than those in a truly concessionary agreement from 2003 (especially when ARW 50 seat FOs have a higher hourly rate than the proposed 60+ seat 9E rates)...but the simple fact is that one cannot conceed that which they don't have.

If you make $70/hr and go to $68/hr, that is a concession. If you have 12 days off and go to 11 days off, that is a concession. If you loosen up scheduling language to the detriment of crewmembers, that is a concession.

Your TA and the details in it might not meet industry average, and it might not meet crewmember expectations, but neither of those make it concessionary if it improves on your current book.

But that's really all semantics; if you don't like it, vote the thing down in flames and lobby your colleagues to do the same thing.

While what's been posted here doesn't sound like a concessionary contract it doesn't need to be less pay to be concessionary. Let's say there wasn't a pay raise or a very small one under the definition of concession given here that wouldn't be a concessionary contract. However it would technically be a concession if your pay doesn't at least keep up or out pace inflation.

Let's say in 1970 I got paid $6 an hour but now I get paid $8 an hour, sure on paper it might not look like I got a better contract now but I'd take living in 1970 on $6 an hour over now at $8 an hour any day of the week
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