Old 09-01-2009 | 01:48 PM
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johnso29
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Originally Posted by findinantherjob
1. 3407 happened because of pilot error (not fatigue)
2. When a pilot agrees to sleep in a crew room because he/she cant afford a crash pad (or to move to a domicile), that pilot is perpetuating the problem, making life worse for all other pilots. It is not managements' fault or the fault of congress.
Really? It's not managements fault that they won't pay in line with the average cost of living for the domicile the pilot is based in? It's not managments fault that a pilot is expected to live in DCA or JFK on less then $20K per year? I'm sure management gets cost of living increases. I'm sure they get bonuses that come off the backs of the pilots. I'm sure they don't have the control to pay pilots a livable wage.

Yeah, it's all the pilots fault and management has NOTHING to do with it. Something tells me you must be management.

Oh and BTW, most pilot error is DUE TO FATIGUE! Try reading some NTSB reports.

Here, let me give you some examples:

Corporate Airlines Flight 5966 was preparing to land on Oct. 19, 2004, when the twin-engine turboprop slammed into trees. The pilots and 11 passengers were killed. Two injured passengers survived by jumping from the plane moments before it was engulfed in flames.

The NTSB said the pilots failed to notice that their plane had descended too quickly because they failed to follow procedures and engaged in unprofessional cockpit banter. But the board also said the captain and first officer probably were exhausted — they were completing their sixth flight of the day, had been on duty more than 14 hours and had flown three trips the day before.

Studies show exhaustion can impair a flier's judgment in much the same way alcohol does. It's not uncommon for overtired pilots to focus on a conversation or a single chore and miss other things going on around them, including critical flight information. In a few cases, they've just fallen asleep.

Last year, two Mesa Airlines pilots conked out for at least 18 minutes during a midmorning flight from Honolulu to Hilo, Hawaii, as their plane continued to cruise past its destination and out to sea. Air traffic controllers were finally able to raise the pilots, who turned around the plane with its 40 passengers and landed it safely.

NTSB said that even though the pilots had not been working long that day, they were clearly fatigued. They cited the pilots' work schedules — the day of the incident was the third consecutive day that both pilots started duty at 5:40 a.m. — and said the captain had an undiagnosed case of sleep apnea.

FAA rules on how many hours an airline pilot may fly or be on duty before he must rest have been virtually unchanged for nearly a half-century, mainly because if airlines have to allow their crews more rest, they would have to hire more crews.

An FAA effort to tackle the issue in the mid-1990s foundered because airlines wanted concessions from pilots in return for reducing flying hours, and the pilots unions wouldn't go along. The agency proposed a new rule, but it has languished for years without final action.
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