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Sorry, but can you tell what those perfectly good rules are that already protect and pilot? Please quote the specific FAR, as well as why it's a perfectly good rule.
Far 91.13 "Careless or Reckless operation", FAR 61.53 section (b), FAR 63.19 "Operations during physical deficiency"[F/Es]. Check the back of your medical. You're walking around with everything you need to protect you right there in your wallet.
Sorry, but there isn't much difference between 8hrs and 9hrs.
There's an extra hour.
Was not the 170 CA at CLE under pressure due to a sick/fatigue issue?
A quote from the NTSB report: "
By not advising the company of his fatigue or removing himself from duty, the captain placed himself, his crew and his passengers in a dangerous situation that could have been avoided." There's never a reason you shouldn't pickup the phone if you're sick or fatigued. Period. If your company fires you over it then they are breaking the law already.
Sounds easy enough. My company has instituted that a fatigue call now has to be ASAP'd. There's been more than one guy that's done it, and has to come into a hearing with the ERC, as well as the FAA to clarify what led up to the call in the first place. Making it ASAP, good idea. Requiring the pilot to come in and explain it, BS. And my company has a strong MEC, I'd hate to see what would happen at companies with weak union leadership, or none at all.
How many people at your company have ever been fired for calling in fatigued? They might want to know why and that's fine but has anyone been fired?
I'm not making the point that there isn't room for improvement. I'm making the point that the leading preventative measure for combating fatigue is already there and not being utilized like it should. Let your company hate you but there's never a reason you should feel forced to fly. If you're sick or fatigued pickup the phone and make the call. I think getting that point across is more affective than some of these rules.
Maybe they should take into account physical fitness a little more while their at it. Some of these guys break a sweat and look beat to death just walking through the terminal carrying their bags
