Originally Posted by
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Please quote me the 121/135 FAR's that protect the pilot?
There are no regs in 121/135 that protect the pilot because they aren't operation type specific. They are covered in the regs I mentioned above which must still be adhered to.
Not if 2 of those extra hours are used in transit time.
I agree 100%. Rest starting when the plane is parked is something I'm completely against.
None that I know of, but that doesn't mean that like many others have alluded to, their life wasn't made difficult in some other area. And you didn't address the point of the ASAP issue. Should the pilot have to come in and explain a fatigue call? Since we adopted that fatigue calls have gone up.
I don't see why an ASAP would be required for a fatigue call. Do you asap a sick call? If they wanted to monitor them make it an irregularity report. Allows them to keep track of issues to make it better. So far we can't produce anyone that has been fired for being fatigued. The "I'm sure somewhere out there a guy got a harder line-check" doesn't make the case. Let the FAA know if you're being hassled. Don't be afraid to tell your company you aren't fit to fly.
Sorry, if you've never done it, you can't debate this point. Sorry to blunt with you.
Yes I can because regardless of if I've called fatigue/sick or not I know that it's still my responsibility to do so should it happen. I might not have called up and said "i'm fatigued" but we have called and had them move departure times etc and have never heard anything of it. Like you said I haven't had to do it yet and that's because as a pilot I take every precaution I can. I commute in the nights before and get hotels if I have to. I don't do red-eyes from one coast to another after little sleep that night then start a trip. I don't sleep in the crew room before a trip. I don't have a chronic issue then hide it from the company. Those were pilot decisions.