Originally Posted by
Cycle Pilot
What are you talking about? We didn't re-interview all the Northwest pilots and only take the ones that meet "Delta standards."
Because they were a counterpart, both legacy carriers. DCI carriers are not legacy carriers, you get hired with less time there and build it to get hired at the legacy.
Originally Posted by
John Pennekamp
News Flash! My reps and your reps are CURRENT NEGOTIATING exactly what we're discussing!
I'm against it.
Originally Posted by
John Pennekamp
And I disagree 100% with your statement. The hard sell on any kind of get-together will be on the Delta line pilots, not management. There are too many pilots over there who think we're not worthy. That attitude needs to change. Fortunately SOME in your group don't feel that way. SOME of them are even running for ALPA office. Change comes slowly, but it WILL come.
And that is absolutely wrong, any mainline pilot who thinks the regional guys can't do the same job is greatly mistaken. I'll agree with you there.
Originally Posted by
John Pennekamp
So 300 hours of single engine fighter time makes someone a better airline pilot than 8000 hours of 121 airline time? Got it!
BAD MOVE. Especially considering you think that Delta mainline pilots look down on you, don't look down on anybody that Delta would find qualified to fly here either. Although it'd be a very odd situation to only have 300 hours, normally I see triple that when they come here.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
John, stop it, this kind of crud will back the majority of DAL pilots in to their corner with their teeth out. Keep it respectable. This is exactly why this failed almost a decade ago.
If you want to talk about this lets talk, do not point fingers. The harsh reality is that DAL pilots control if this happens.
And you're exactly right ACL.
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
Life - you make a point many are overlooking.
Our Chairman has been promoting flow through agreements as alternative to real unity and mergers. But, we have not heard from management. Management hires pilots. Why do we think management will deliver on promises made by ALPA politicians?
ACL thinks management will go along to lower DCI costs, but I don't see them wanting to raise Delta's costs by carrying DCI pilots longevity to a even higher pay scale.
If anything Joe and John's insistence on leapfrogging Delta pilots who interviewed and got hired is so off putting that their opinion pushes me firmly towards Lee Moak's vision of a flow through where all is surrendered on the first day of Indoc class.
Although the unionist in me wishes to preserve longevity, I understand the resistance to unity when Joe and John start telling me "how it's gonna be." Frankly, unity is a lot easier to sell without Joe and John coming over here like boarding pirates. They have to understand that this is so wildly speculative that it really is pointless to debate here. Their time would be better spent on the phone to their own ALPA Reps than a bunch of Delta line guys, who are only going to be listened to if we complain.
Bar is smart.