Originally Posted by
newKnow
Outstanding point. Except I wasn't solely talking about DAL pilots who remain neutral for the AFA efforts to organize. In fact, the main point that I was making about our pilots and the AFA was that there are some who are lobbying FA's to vote no, which is hardly neutral.
In response to Bar, my post really asks why there seems to be an increasing amout of pilots who don't respect the unions (already on property, at any company, in any industry) or their members. Look on our message board and see how our pilots talk about UAW workers. I sense there is an increasing anti-(non pilot)union sentiment among pilots.
My post had nothing to do with stopping people from doing what they want if and how they want. It has everything to do with our attitude toward other unions and their members.
New K Now
1) We agree: actively lobbying
against AFA is not right. That is to say, trawling for F/A's to give them unsollicited input is wrong, and I'm not sure it's worth giving them my input if sollicited. Staying out of it is a better move.
2) If you find some of my posts on another threadconcerning this topic, I don't think this is the right time, but I think the F/A groups need to be merged first, then develop a consensus. I definitely think both our F/A's
and our pilots have benefitted from the status quo. I also think the South F/A's will work better with a post SOC vote, on their own terms. I have no desire, nor will I get any benefit from, our F/A's unionizing. I will, however, support them once they figure out which way to go.
3) I haven't looked on our board lately, and wasn't aware of an anti-IAM sentiment developing, so I can't comment on it. From my perspective, I think there are a lot of cultural and human nature issues involved. Some motivations behind the "un-enthusiasm" about AFA (and perhaps IAM?) are fairly straightforward and pragmatic, some of it is not so pretty. Deep down, I think we've enjoyed being the only union of importance at Delta. While the relationship between us, the F/A's, and management has been complex (just as complex as the AMFA fiasco, I suppose), it has worked well, and probably much better than at many airlines. I think this relationship will evolve once we work fully together, and I'm willing to wait and see which way we go, and which way the other groups go. In the meantime, I suggest we refrain from taking anything other than a neutral stance WRT other groups, and I suggest we keep an open mind towards each other, and how we've behaved with other groups until now.