Originally Posted by seafeye

This is why i gave him part of the AIM....

We are boarding the airplane, waiting for paperwork....15 min to departure, at uncontrolled airport.
F/O on FSS Freq:"Airline 123, Looking for clearance to xyz".
FSS:"This is FSS, Airline 123, where are you?"
F/O:"In xxx airport"
FSS:"Airline 123, are you airborne or are you on the ground?"
F/O:"On the ground" in a harsh tone.
FSS:"OK, ATC clears Airline 123, to the xyz airport, via....hold for release"
F/O:"Cleared to xyz, via..."
Captain:"I think he would like you to say:"ATC clears Airline 123, to the xyz airport via....holding for release".
F/O:"He knows what i mean". swears about the controller.
Then i said:"When you call up FSS, they aren't ATC. They are just a middle man, and they are listening to 100 freqs. So you need to tell them your call sign followed by what freq you are transmitting and recieving on.", Then when they get back to you, you can tell them you are on the gound in xyz airport and looking for your cleanance to xyz airport."
F/O:"The guy was being a ____".


I could go on but you see the problem here, we have low time pilots that have ZERO GA/Airline knowledge. I don't get paid to be a flight instructor anymore but this is Private Pilot stuff. And he gets rude to the controllers for his lack of knowledge. I don't care if the guy fly's like crap just as long as he doesn't have a horrible attitude.