Originally Posted by
NightIP
That's a terribly weak argument, and I think you know it. Here are the non-regional accidents between 1/1/2004 and 9/20/2009:
FedEx MD11 - Totaled on landing. Only 2 people aboard were killed, but I'd imagine if there were passengers there would be more than (2) listed.
Kalitta 747 - No idea yet, but again, the little (2) doesn't matter as it was a cargo bird.
USA Jet DC9 - Destroyed during approach. Again, cargo. Very few fatalities.
Sky King 737 and CAL 737 in ELP - Yep, ground handling. Got me there. Republic's ground handling fatality is also listed on that page.
Southwest 737 - Wrecked off the end in MDW.
So there ya have it. Those were not all ground handling accidents as you're trying to make them out to be. Also not listed is the CAL 737 in DEN that, somehow, did not result in fatalities.
The point that I made in the other thread remains the same: Nobody is immune from accidents. If it gives you the warm fuzzies to avoid all regionals that's fine, but realize that it's not based in any fact.
Tell me you are not including foreign carriers and accidents in foreign lands.... can we agree to compare US regionals with US Majors in the US? I guess the list I ran was different than the list YOU ran. I selected UNITED STATES. By the way, the Southwest accident was people on the ground killed, not crew or pax.
and I NEVER said anybody was immune from accidents. What I said was the regionals have a worse safety record and kill people far more often. So, if we use your numbers Majors/Cargo is what 10... maybe 15.... while regionals are what..... lets see...
Comair 50
Colgan 49
Beech 1900 19 (forgot who operated that one)
so, 118 to less than 20 just since 2003. Yep, you make your arguement well.
We can go back more and talk about other ones where regional pilots only killed themselves, like the colgan guys in the 1900 going out of HYA, or the CRJ guys flaming out both engines...
Look, if there were NOT a problem, the US Congress would not be looking to regulate increased minimum hours for new hires, better rest and duty hours... if there were NOT a problem, they could care less how much sleep you got, when you commuted to work, how much time you had when hired. The fact is YOUR job is about to be regulated from the highest levels of the US Govt; that doesn't happen when things are just peachy.