Originally Posted by
skybob
Hey Stig?????????? . . . Anyone else care to explain how this is being logged for your 8710. Like I said, I have seen it done and am curious
I too am curious.
In reference to SIC, the 8710 only tells you:
Second In Command
“SIC” time used may be entered in the appropriate blocks.
So, no help there.
You'd enter the SIC you're using to meet the 250 PIC requirement in the "Pilot in Command (PIC)" column SIC box (right underneath the PIC box). If questioned about how you are complying with the 250 PIC requirement, you'd say to your DE, "
when you add up the Airplane PIC and the Airplane SIC, you get more than 250. I was 'executing the duties of PIC' as an SIC, which is the same thing as 'performing the duties of PIC' as SIC, the requirement under FAR 61.159. Reference FAR 61.55.b.2.ii.".
I love some of the comments on this thread, summing things up. Good stuff.
For those who want the serious summary, though, here it is:
FAR 61.159 tells you what you need for an ATP. Among other things, you need "
250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command."
A poster on this thread has put forth the idea that FAR 61.55.b.2.ii will allow you to log SIC towards this 250 hour PIC requirement, b/c it says "
Engine-out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command" is one of the requirements of a SIC annual check (a PT or PC).
The question is, just b/c a SIC does one maneuver in the sim (or airplane) during a PC "while executing the duties of PIC", does that mean that a SIC is always "performing the duties of PIC" whenever they are @ flying, just when they're the pilot flying, or never? Can a SIC with a FAA pilot's license limiting them to SIC privileges only in a plane log PIC in the plane?
Though most pilots on this forum would answer "never" and "no" to these questions, apparently, there is disagreement, since a poster claims applicants using SIC @ their carrier to satisfy the 250 PIC requirement "has been shown to be current practice at most companies such as ASA, and Expressjet".
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Stig, don't know how 'Mesa does it' (relevance?). If you're 'The Stig', don't you drive the car? The GT used in 'Top Gear' is a left-hand drive model.
