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INTERNET PILOT
Lets say VOR 1 was an airport that you did a touch and go at. The same for VOR 3. If this were the case, then a flight from "Start -> Airport 1 -> Airport 3 -> End" would indeed count towards the commercial/private/instrument XC requirement, because all thats required for those flights is a leg that consists of 50 NM or greater.
If you're indeed correct in saying that a 50NM ring originating from the point of departure must be 'broken' for it to count towards ATP XC, then this means that all flights that you have done while getting your commercial/private/instrument will not necessarily count towards the ATP, since the 50NM 'ring' is not a requirement for them, strictly speaking.
This is something that I just now realized, and don't think is very widely known.
Huh?
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61.1(b)(3) Cross-country time means -
(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements ... for a private pilot certificate ... a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating... time acquired during a flight--
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(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
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(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate ... time acquired during a flight -
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(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
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The only difference between the two is that for the private, commercial and instrument, there has to be a landing and for the ATP a landing isn't required.
Otherwise the definitions for the two are identical.
How would a flight with a landing >50 NM away not qualify as a flight >50 NM away without a landing?
And where does anyone see a requirement for a 50 NM
leg anywhere in those deifintions?
INTERNET PILOT - your scenario dies not qualify as a cross country for either the private/commercial/instrument or for the ATP. With or without a landing, at no point are you a straight-line distance >50 NM from your original point of departure.