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Old 10-17-2009 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
You make some good points, but it is unrealistic to expect the Midwest pilots to support you. The Frontier and Midwest pilots have absolutely nothing to gain by merging with you. To expect them to just suck it up and move on with life is unrealistic and naive of you. The Midwest pilots have houses being foreclosed on, wives filing for divorce, and cars being repositioned all because of this merger. You guys will have to fight against the company without the Midwest pilot's support. First year probation pay at Frontier and Midwest is higher than your max first officer pay. They are taking a huge step back coming to your contract. I predict only about 60 Midwest pilots will ever work for Republic (the ones that end up captains with 20 years longevity). If Bedford makes them start at year 1 (been done before), then 0 Midwest pilots will work for Republic.
A couple of things to note. I am not looking for someone to suck anything up. I am not looking for anything but the brow beating to stop and for something constructive to start being displayed by pilots as a whole. You are right they have nothing to gain, but they have it all to loose. Don't think for one minute that the God Squad in Indy won't put e190' or 195's on the 318 runs and lease those planes or return them to put lower paid flight crews on the trips. Nobody is willing to fall on their sword for me so I am certainly not quitting my job in protest. When this all boils down if they want a seat at the table they'd better bring a dish or they'll find themselves out in the cold. I am not trying to be mean or spiteful, it's not that I have no feelings for what is happening to people I would call co workers no matter what airline they fly for or how superior they think they are flying at "Mainline". I am however in my opinion telling it how it is. They can either be involved in what this airline is going to become or simply sit it out and sideline quarterback with the rest of you.

And another thing, I was not addressing Midwest pilots to show support. That comment was for every pilot with every airline who looses if the pilot group at RAH does not make some serious headway in this next contract. You are not going to beat anyone into submission with this constant barrage of you stole my flying and crying about how your pay rate is $3 dollars an hour more than mine. When the contract we have now.. actually I am through defending a 6 year old contract, we need to move foward.

I am also not suggesting anyone to come to our contract as you suggest the Midwest pilots should. But again, they better get involved because they don't have the numbers to vote down something they don't like. They'll get stuck on this contract with the rest of us until this new one is ratified and we'd like their input on making it a better contract. Calling for arbitration may not have been the most productive thing. My understanding is that the arbitrator is the same one that did the original Shuttle arbitration, ask some of those guys how that worked out. Frankly without any aircraft to fly I am not sure why the Midwest pilots were part of the package and I am hoping the company does not pull what it had in the past and simply fire these folks.

Someone else made the statement about me sending emails or calls to EXCO about the SLI, I am guessing Seniority List Integration. I've made none, they know what needs done and don't need to expel another breath to answering the same questions. Trust me when I say they are aware. Apparently there is a magic ball at other, or at least your airline that gets things done in minutes days or even weeks. You can't get two pilots to agree on where to eat for lunch half the time, yet your going to get FOUR pilot groups to come to some sort of compromise on how they should move forward on their futures in a matter of weeks.

I only know what we are being told. All parties were asked to bring proposals, the only thing they brought was a call for arbitration. That means that now someone else is involved and that is going to be on their time line, and nobody else's.

As for the Midwest pilots who are having wives file for divorces, what a sorry relationship that must have been. Think of the peace you will have not living with someone that just wanted your lifestyle and your money. It is a pretty poor testament to a relationship when the loss of a job sends a spouse packing.