No I'm saying that no matter how many hours you have sitting in an airplane it will not make you safer with out the proper training. What if I had 2500 hours dual given and the "magical ATP" will that make me more safe in flying an 121 carrier a/c? NO! What about the Tinery Islands accident or the Cali Colombia or Value Jet, or the hundreds of other accidents that show CRM was the issue. Colgan was CRM and lack of disipline. Chuck Yeager couldn't have saved them because they were too undisciplined and unprofessional. Young yes, but properly trained they wouldn't have sat around and yapped like monkey's about all the ice. Training and the lack there of killed them not the hours they did or didn't have!