Originally Posted by
RJSAviator76
FlyASA, see, it wouldn't matter to you or anyone else if GoJet got the industry-leading contract being that they're "scabs", right?
First of all I haven't called GoJet pilots scabs. I think what they did was in the spirit of scabbing but since no actual picket line was crossed they can't be considered scabs.
Secondly, how is GoJet or TSA supposed to get an industry leading contract when they are going to be whipsawed against each other?
Third, if the creation of GoJet resulted in an industry leading contract then that would be a different story, but it didn't since it was an alterego created by management to get around negotiating with the TSA MEC. Hulas didn't create GoJet to pay the pilots more than TSA, he created it because he wanted to pay them less then what the TSA pilots wanted to work for.
Originally Posted by
RJSAviator76
What would happen if TSA decided to severely undercut GoJet to secure getting the Japanese toy jets? Would there be a major outcry against TSA ALPA?
Did you even read my post? I clearly stated that is going to be the biggest problem moving forward. Hulas is going to dangle those 96 seat MRJs in front of both groups to see which will do it for less. Whether it's TSA, GoJet, or another alter-ego created by Hulas those jets will be flown at way lower wages and worse work rules then they otherwise would have if Hulas was negotiating with only one pilot group.
It will be terrible and we'll all complain about it and then we'll all look back and realize the situation never had to happen if the second seniority list at GoJet was never created.
Originally Posted by
RJSAviator76
I'm telling you, the regional airlines in the US are a joke. You may be thumping your chest how you have block or better or whatever the case may be. Sadly, you are still flying for "lettuce picker" wages in comparison to your peers flying in the same capacity overseas. Express Jet, ASA, Skywest or GoJet, Republic, Mesa, Pinnacle. You're gonna starve, and you are SEVERELY underpaid no matter what you say. Great, so I may get paid block of better - woohoo!!! Guess what? I still can't get a place of my own in any of your domiciles as a starting copilot.
In other words, pot meet kettle.
Yes, regionals suck and I am underpaid and I would like to get more. The only way we can make contracts better is if we can negotiate, alter-egos remove the need for management to negotiate with us. They'll just start a new seniority list if negotiations stalemate with the current group of pilots. It's already bad enough we have to deal with external whipsawing caused by our major partners and our management (like the DCI shuffle) but if in the future we also have to deal with internal whipsawing (GoJet vs. TSA vs. TSH management) we'll have a much more difficult time improving anything.
Explain to me how the creation of GoJet or any other alterego is going to make it easier for us to do away with "lettuce picker wages" or at least make the pay rates a little better? We are all already handicapped enough, how is adding another level of difficulty going to make it better? It won't, it'll make the situation at regionals worse.