Originally Posted by
bubi352
Bottom line, I don't dispute at all that you should hear "clear into class B". You need in fact a clearance like everyone said. But you don't need too if you are given an altitude and heading instruction that puts you on a course to enter class B. That will constitute your clearance into class B. That's all.
I think you may be technically correct.
But I have heard "cleared into the Class B" when getting departure instructions on the ground when getting ready to depart VFR from a Class B primary airport. If you can't assume it then, when can you assume it?
I've also been queried by a later controller what I was doing in the Class B (the clearance wasn't passed on) and was very happy there was no question in the tapes of the clearance being given.
So, if you hear something that doesn't say "cleared" I guess you're left with this choice:
- Take a few seconds to say, "Confirm Cessna 1234X is cleared into the Class Bravo" and take the risk that you didn't need to.
- Guess that you have the clearance and take the risk that you are wrong (or at least have to deal with an investigation).
I find that choice very easy to make.