Originally Posted by
ERJFO
I can tell you where I work now, the union is about 50%-60% FO's and guys don't get fired for failing training. I know of a guy who failed upgrade twice and is back in the right seat
That is not the case with SAPA, nor would I guess it is at a very, very few other airlines. The most senior guys seem to do quite well at paying themselves and protecting their jobs. Certainly, companies with guys stuck in the FO seat for decades might be an exception, but I'll bet the APA is mostly captains.
They could have given the guy more IOE. How long did SKYW give him? I've seen guys get 50-100 hours of OE before.
He got 48 hours, IIRC. Since the target is 25-50, he was done. He had an additional circumstance was that he's dad died in the middle of sim, and he took three weeks off. Yes, absolutely he could have been extended, but the reality was that they needed to cut pilots. The pilot who got canned with the jumpseat issue was actually told by the MKE chief pilot that he would not get fired if they weren't overstaffed. I did not receive an opportunity to get a second shot at the type sim ride.
I have to disagree with you.... don't think we can expect ALPA to give the dues of other members to a non-union pilot group so they can start up a union that will presumably give nothing back.
My point exactly. ALPA failed, and I beleive a well run campaign that offered a union label to a SAPA type organization might have a greater chance if financed. If being unionized were important, ALPA (and perhaps SWAPA, APA, USAPA, etc) would support that without a "pay back".