Originally Posted by
TonyWilliams
Firing for failing upgrade is the current rule. I suspect that based on the sime fact that the current captains support the rule, it would continue into any union contract. But the simple answer is; we cannot know for sure, and just having a union is no guarantee that rule will change.
Current captains at SkW have failed transition training from he prop to the jet and they keep their jobs and return to the previous seat. They got theirs, and now they're protected.
Get drunk.... There's a program. Have a certificate action, company has a lawyer. But, fail upgrade, fired... No hearing, no review.
So, I am arguing that a union is appropriate, but ALPA is not the answer, nor will any union necessarily change things. Reality. And as has been pointed out, should a union show up and the company play hardball, it could be worse.
Looks like the SKW folks are going to learn an ugly lesson that sadly management is way ahead of them on the flightplan. Regarding your last comment, and SKW management ISN"T playing hardball right now? SKW fires lots of folks for training issues. Any contract would have to be ratified by the entire group, sounds like you have pointed to one of the managements desired goals: Division and a place to start, Capt against F/O on training. Perhaps this is the first issue of failure <ng> The perception that Capts have final say is only true in the cockpit, not in the union unless acceded by the F/O's. Are SKW F/O's that lethargic? Would surmise that the F/O's would take the lead, afterall, they 'don't have theirs' yet. Doesn't matter to you and me, but it is an interesting spectacle unfolding.