Originally Posted by
SaltyDog
Regarding your last comment, and SKW management ISN"T playing hardball right now? SKW fires lots of folks for training issues.
They haven't always done the "upgrade training failure equals fired". If I remember correctly, it was changed to that about fifteen years ago. Nothing new there. And they have probably always gone out of their way to fire those other training issues, also. Sure, more so now that they haven't furloughed than in the past. But, there are a few check airman that everybody at SkW knows are the "hatchet men". Nothing new there, either.
So, a union may improve those issues. Or it may not. A union would be able to fight after the fact where SAPA cannot.
Any contract would have to be ratified by the entire group
As is currently the practice. Voted on by the membership. Yes, the pilots have turned down stuff before.
Are SKW F/O's that lethargic? Would surmise that the F/O's would take the lead, after all, they 'don't have theirs' yet. Doesn't matter to you and me, but it is an interesting spectacle unfolding.
Well, the FO's are outnumbered, so even if there was a "party line" vote, the FO's would lose. Can't comment on whether FO's are lethargic, since I only flew with captains and heard their side of things. But, I suspect that support for a union at SkW is only slightly higher among FO's than CA's.
As ALPA found out, it wasn't even close.