I think the company will be hard pressed to bring the pay cuts that management has experienced after the first of the year and not bring us out of 4A2b. But after listening to some of the posts on this forum, it won't matter to some of these guys. They're just greatful to Fred for giving them a job they obviously don't feel they deserved..... They're the same ones sucking up all the draft and vlt, thus allowing the company to keep us in 4A2b.