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American Airlines Fleet:
608 Total Mainline: 99 737, 124 757s, 73 767s, 47 777s, 0 Airbus now.
285 Total Regional: 39 ATR, 0 Saab 340 now, 25 CRJ700, 206 E135/140/145, 15 E140 from CHQ.
Delta Airlines Fleet:
750 Total Mainline: 80 737, 16 744, 6 742, 180 757, 93 767, 16 777, 126 A319/320, 31 A330, 133 MD89, 69 DC9.
702 Total Delta Connection: 381 CRJ200, 66 CRJ700, 101 CRJ900, 54 E175, 48 S340, 52 E145.
Question, how many of the AA furloughs are TWA, an airline purchased and flushed? IMO, the TWA numbers and situation skew their furlough numbers much like saying we had a $161M loss but a $51M operational profit.
if these numbers are wrong then by all means quote it and change the numbers as appropriate. I didn't include 11 E120s for Skywest, didn't know if that was accurate that they were flying for us.
You hit the fricken nail on the head. When AMR bought TWA they were still dealing with that little acquisition of Reno AIr. When TWA was bought they brought all of the pilots on board, and in effect took TWA's JFK ops out of the equation, and shrank STL.
Along comes the aftermath of 9-11.
I say take the TWA pilots and the jobs of the STL base out of the mix, compare the fleet sizes of AMR and DAL from 2001 to 2009 and you have a much clear picture.
The TWA pilots were stapled to the bottom of the AMR list sans a few 100 so they took the brunt of the inefficiencies of their route structure and their flying. It appears to me, and I will get the data when I have time, but taking all of that in to consideration makes this furlough argument moot.
As for DAL hiring in 2007/08 they needed bodies because they had trimmed their workforce to a bare bones operation with the furloughs then the early outs. They then decided that it made more sense to fly a 777 13hs a segment than to fly 13 one hours segments. Simple fact is that we took birds that had the domestic staffing equation applied to them, and threw them on to the international staffing equation. AMR, CAL and UAUA did not have to do this since they already had these jets doing what we had just decided to do.
Take the ER's, and the new 777's convert them to three and four man crews and you come up with about 700 extra bodies needed. Works well.
As for why AMR has shrank. Well look at us, we did it before them, we did not just acquire a very inefficient airline and all of their pilots roster. They did, and were grossly overstaffed for a rational route structure given their purchase. CAL has pilots on the street because they rationalized their 737 fleet, and those guys will be coming back. UAUA has pilot on furlough for many reasons, but they are rationalizing their fleet too. Will we? Who knows but our rationalization of our mainline fleet will occur in an upturn and growing economy whereas these airlines rationalized their fleets in the last two recessions.