Hey sigep, I don't think many mil guys expect or would even want preferential treatment. I wouldn't respect any that did. However, it sounds like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. Lets all just agree to respect each other's backrounds. I know that the civ guys put up with a lot of sh!t to get to where they want to be. Guess what? So do we. Yes, we have a fraternal bond and we take care of our own. That trait was handed down to us by people who developed it in order to stay alive. It ain't gonna change my friend. As for "real wars", how much time have YOU spent in the sandbox?? If the answer is even a little bit, then I'll apologize and buy you a beer. But I suspect that you have no idea what it is like to spend 6 months a year away from home in a region of the world that doesn't like you very much. So...with all due respect, shut the f*&k up about a subject you know nothing about. BTW, get a sense of humor, Jolly was just making a joke.