Originally Posted by
slowplay
Just remember that this deal was publicly acknowledged by Delta on Wednesday, November 18. Look around at all the background information you've been provided since August from the Government Affairs committee. Look at the MEC meeting highlights from October, where John Byerly, the lead State Department negotiator on this issue, talked to the MEC about Japan Open Skies and Haneda. Reread the Chairman's letter.
How are we supposed to directly ask for input on a confidential project covered by an SEC/Delta NDA prior to the date that management chooses to announce it?
Sometimes you have to pay attention to what we publish (it's there for a reason), maintain situational awareness, and realize that we're a representational democracy. You elect leadership that listens to your input, is provided proprietary background information, and then acts on your behalf. If you're a proactive member, you'll have plenty of opportunity for input. If you're reactive, your opportunity
may be limited due to the rate of change of our operating environment.
Everything the MEC does goes back to that mission statement...
Cute, but I get what you are saying.
My question is you are telling me the guys that stay involved get to have input, but we are also told that those that go to the LEC meeting, draft and have ratified resolutions are only part of the pilot group and do not represent the majority. Both of these statements diverge from each other.
I am informed, and engaged, have read many documents on this matter as well as a few other ones that I feel will be the next big issues coming, but actions like the CPS resolution do not firm up proof to the "silent majority" that by getting involved and staying informed that you input will mean squat.
As for a direct response to the quote information above:
There have been the documents that you state, but my point is, One, I understand that you guys are under NDA's up to your neck and it makes it real hard to have two way communication on issues like this, but you need to realize that your group is demanding that you do so, Two, being coy with information does not lead itself to understanding and education of the issues by the masses, Three, as I stated above the intent of your information is counter acted my larger more visible actions, and Finally, now that we have an issue that is public, seek input, you now have the company publicly putting information out there. It should make sense for them and for you to allow you to create a venue, or medium to seek input on this issue and other ones arising.
We look at the AF/KLM deal and we knew it was coming, everyone talked about it, we had a TA, but saw noting about it, it was ratified, and then and only then was it given to the masses. I get the representational democracy part, but the fact is that input is needed and expected in every step in that type of ruling structure. From everyone, not just a select few. continuing this will just further the divide I am seeing among the troops.
In the end, the company either needs to realize or knows very well what they are doing by covering you up by these NDA's. It is great if you do not care about what the MEC is doing, but for guys like me, and there are a lot of them, we want to provide input prior to decisions being made. To do that, something needs to be done to increase the dialog among the rulers and the pilots
Furthermore, I agree that the stance of the MEC is the correct stance on this issue. It makes sense from a strategic standpoint, but there are a lot of people that do not. They also will see it as one more deal that is giving away control of more of our flying. It that becomes the case, I along with many others will be very disappointed in the results.
As has been said to me, trying really hard only goes so far, Sooner or later it has to equate in to results the pilots can see. We are getting to the point, that without a no bs straight conversation (from the master chair to the pilots) about the MEC's long term goals as it pertains to every iota of our PWA, it is going to get to a point that many do not want. Pilots are sick and tired of not having a say. You may think that it is a representational democracy, but many do not.
Again this is just what I see. Take it for what it is worth.