Now, by no means do I have any jet experience (CRJ simulator course is all I've done), but are hawker's THAT bad? Considering that going to the shaker isn't the full stall, the 90 degree wing drop sounds like you guys take it farther than the shaker. So, for clarification, once you get to the shaker on a hawker, there's a dramatic wing drop? If that's the case, shouldn't the shaker be set to activate a few knots faster, so you have warning before the wing stalls? Thanks for the info.