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Old 01-11-2010 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Well, OK, if you're gonna start including National carriers, rather than network ones, let's ALSO not forget:

AirTran: $153/$79
Frontier: $156/$94
JetBlue: $159/$108

Guys, I get it. Our pay is WAY below what it was, and that sucks. In MY opinion, it's way below what is "fair". No argument from me. But there is no such thing as "fair", and the sooner we accept that, the better. We will get in 2012 exactly as much as we can extract, just like we did in C2K and just like we did in Letter 51 in bankruptcy. The economic and political climate at the time will determine what that number is. If conditions are similar to what they were when we negotiated C2K, I'm confident we'll get those wages; but if they aren't, no amount of wishing or thumping of the chest will get us there.

It's time to look forward - not backward. No one forgets what we used to make. No one is any less pained by the current wages. Constantly complaining is really not a very effective strategy and it just leads to a very unsatisfying existence. What IS satisfying, imo, when the boat is taking on water, is to start bailing, rather than sitting around complaining that your shoes are getting wet. But that's just me.
PG,

We need to include all airlines in our analysis. With that being said, I completely agree with your last paragraph. We need to get involved. I know some here are just venting, but many are involved and letting their reps know what's important.

The questions is whether or not the message is getting through to the MEC and based on some recent events, I think it is. Let's start educating the folks about what's involved in the negotiations and stop managing expectations. If we don't ask, we don't get.