Please read my response to T-Square on the previous page. I retract the one word from my response ("steal") and wish I'd never written it. My response to Captain Courageous stands, yet nobody wants to discuss that part.

It is not my intent to belittle a pre-merger brand of pilot. I belittle the situational ethics and illogic that the "grow a set" posters put forward. Of course, I note that you didn't respond to the "grass skirt" comments by the tough guy.

If the actions that were taken by individuals on your property required "growing a set", then what was at risk? Why was it at risk? Those are the two key questions (from my point of view) that separate those that truly have "sets" from those that have self-interest.

I quote from AlfaRomeo's post above, remembering that we were in the same courthouse at the same time:

The one thing he doesn't mention is that at Delta, we never lost block or better, we always had 100% pay for deadheads, and we never lost premium pay. Maybe other ways of doing business can be more advantageous than the "grow a pair" mentality. Go look at the APA thread from one of their BOD members and you see that the APA board of directors has lost all confidence in "Grow A Pair Lloyd Hill" and his hard liners. Their lack of production has led them to want to adopt a little more of our strategy. Looks like UAL is going the same way. Go figure.

Finally, I think what management did for themselves and to us was unconscionable. That doesn't mean that I adopt their ethical profile while complaining about the actions they took. It means I work to find ways to beat them. We've been doing that, and we've been pretty successful.