Carl,

I could not agree more with you. My point is simply acknowledge or try to anticipate the moves of the other side and work to our advantage. I would much rather have $$ increase now than a letter saying we may not have to furlough you. I really don't care what the cat ranchers ask for either when it comes times for their contract. I am simply saying get it now and don't use the heavy artillery until necessary and in 2012 it may just come to that.