"But, let me get this straight. You feel like there should be a change here at the company. The union and company have an agreement that will hopefully start to bring change. But you plan to debate with your Captain that they shouldn't do an observation ride in the interest of Safety because we haven't seen the Enders report. If that is really the case, then you are as guilty as the company in not moving forward."

Safety is not the issue here. The issue, is using the only tools that are available to us to effect a change in management behavior. It falls into the same category as flying extra during times like now, when the company is taking advantage of us with 4a2b.

"I would imagine if you look at observations from the LOSA and Enders, they may very well show the same stuff, but if this is what it takes to get change around this place, then I am all for it."

I disagree that these LOSAs will effect change. They will be data gathering tools but we've done this data gathering before and nothing has changed. Basaed upon management's past behavior, why do you think this will change the way management does anything?

"The Union negotiated this as an agreement, if we don't participate, what does that say about us as a pilot group."

It says two things. First, if they want our trust and support, the Union should make concessions with management only after understanding how the field thinks about it. It indicates the Union has not changed the milktoast way it deals with management--they should have been the ones to say NO until the Enders report is released.

I think the attitude that "the union negotiated it therefore it must be blindly suported" is VERY, VERY wrong! Are you happy that our Union negotiated away pay protection when trips are dropped for training, and are you happy they never told us about that? Are you happy the scheduling grid penalty got so watered down that it is now worthless?

No, I'm not a lemming who is going to blindly follow the Union any more. Management knows a lot of our pilots have that attitude and they manpiulate us with us. We will never get what we deserve (in this case, the release of the Enders report) with that attitude.