Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Talking about Jet Blue, Delta, AMR, UAUA et al and their mins is good, because they have changed as the candidates have changed.
15 years ago who would have had 1000 hrs PIC 121.
True, but how big were the "regional" airlines 15 years ago? Not very compared to today. Take the biggest ones out there, XJT/ASA/SKW/RAH, paled in comparison to what they are today. Now, there are way more qualified candidates than in the past. But the question is, with the way this had evolved, not ALL are willing to apply for the legacy job.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
It is taking 10-20 years to see a left seat at a major and two to three at a regional. The regionals are now stagnating and the experience is catching up with the growth. This is not across the board, but in general. It will reverse itself again as we near the great retirement era later this decade. In effect the airlines are going to once again need to lower their barrier for entry to staff their needs.
True, like you said, it will reverse. But remember, there were guys that on the panel/FO seat at a legacy in the past for just as much time.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
Raising the barrier to a regional job is a good first step, but it needs to be more than just a different certificate. It needs to be different and restructured primary flight training. It needs to edge away from less airplane time to more stick time, more situational training. Getting people from private to airline pilot in 12 months has got to stop. There is safety in time. Even a mandatory 12 month stint as a CFI would be a start.
Again, agree. But just like we're talking about, market forces and supply/demand have driven this stuff in the past. They can regulate the crap entry requirements, but when a lot of factors start to catch up again, it'll create a problem.
Everything else I omitted I agree with.
Originally Posted by
acl65pilot
You misunderstood the thrust of what I was saying.
Direct line, do not reset seniority.
I didn't misunderstand anything. The CAL FT wasn't a seniority reset, and that was my example was specific to. As well as the argument that it will guaranty that mainline job.
Originally Posted by
dosbo
It shouldn't be a matter of EGO any more. It should be company culture, it's XYZ brand we own the airplanes and keep all flying in house.
I know that, you know that. But tell that to the senior/widebody CA's that have succumb to that all to often affliction of "I've got mine, everything else is the junior guy's problem". Like I said, we pilots have short memories.
Originally Posted by
dosbo
It would also require management that actually wants to run an airline.
True, but in this climate, those managements are in the minority, and it won't change any time soon.