Originally Posted by
goaround2000
You should do your homework before posting. This idea was actually first brought to the floor back in 1996, but it wasn't driven by safety, but rather bargaining power and economics.
It really doesn't surprise me that the idea has been brought to the "floor" before. I did not claim it as original.
Originally Posted by
goaround2000
Ironically, it was rejected then by the same pilot group that now wants it because they are witnessing the demise of what was then a great airline.
Well at least this unnamed pilot group is finally catching on! I wasn't around when my generation was sold out for a few bucks!
By the way, which airline are you talking about? This subject is not airline specific in the slightest.
Originally Posted by
goaround2000
You wanna talk about safety? How about we start with the baseline? How about we start with the agency tasked with enforcing the standards?
What about the FAA? They are in bed with the airlines? Yes obviously, and this is no surprise to anyone. Your wording is very vague, sorry if I am not "reading" you.
Originally Posted by
goaround2000
You see, all naive one, you could have one seniority list industry-wide, or airline-wide, but if there's no element of corporate accountability, then safety won't improve.
There would be corporate accountability if the "corporate" folks were liable for every airplane, pilot, and flight that was operated. The way to do this is regulation. By regulation I mean require a company selling tickets for a "ride" on their certificate using their name, disallowing other companies to do business as, and using pilots trained by said company, on a single seniority list as to not allow for a lack of training, or transfer of knowledge through experience in the cockpit with seasoned pilots.
Originally Posted by
goaround2000
Colgan 3407 didn't happen because of two pilots, it happened because of the lack of safety culture at Colgan, and the FAA simply looked the other way.
My original post really wasn't about dissecting why Colgan crashed an airplane, but since you want to go there.. Colgan hired a guy who pulled back on the controls, and every pilot who was involved in checking, and instructing this individual could share just as much blame as Colgan the company or the FAA for looking the other way. It is quite obvious some pilots in a position to prevent an accident and encourage a safer operation LOOKED THE OTHER WAY when it came to this particular captain.
There is no question that safety isn't taken that seriously at Colgan. It may have never been an issue had Continental not been able to outsource flying to a contractor, obviously.
Originally Posted by
goaround2000
You're the one posting a bunch of non-sense about how you want to see enforcement at the corporate level at the same time as stating the obvious that we operate in a heavily regulated business. Airlines get fined all the time. What more do you want? Would you like people to be arrested? Banished from aviation? Do you want to write people tickets with a little ticket book? Go start a THERE MUST BE ENFORCEMENT AT THE CORPORATE LEVEL thread.
The disease is pitting pilots against pilots, and disrupting the flow of knowledge, and experience between generations of pilots because of large gaps in levels of experience at the regionals and the major/legacies.
The solution is getting everyone at a particular operation under the same tent. No it isn't going to be easy, in fact it may not even be possible considering folks like you are in the way. Someday though, it may happen, but until then we are stuck with what we have been left with by those who came before us.