Originally Posted by
Too Beaucoup
It really doesn't surprise me that the idea has been brought to the "floor" before. I did not claim it as original.
You wrote a two page referendum, trying to make it sound like you discovered the answer to the industry's safety problems without knowing the background, clearly speaks to your credibility or lack thereof.
Originally Posted by
Too Beaucoup
Well at least this unnamed pilot group is finally catching on! I wasn't around when my generation was sold out for a few bucks!
By the way, which airline are you talking about? This subject is not airline specific in the slightest.
No they're doing it out of self-interest, no regard for safety. You should do a little research on the subject.
Originally Posted by
Too Beaucoup
What about the FAA? They are in bed with the airlines? Yes obviously, and this is no surprise to anyone. Your wording is very vague, sorry if I am not "reading" you.
There would be corporate accountability if the "corporate" folks were liable for every airplane, pilot, and flight that was operated. The way to do this is regulation. By regulation I mean require a company selling tickets for a "ride" on their certificate using their name, disallowing other companies to do business as, and using pilots trained by said company, on a single seniority list as to not allow for a lack of training, or transfer of knowledge through experience in the cockpit with seasoned pilots.
No, once again you're wrong; you're wrongly assuming that safety is directly related to the level of experience. While experience is an important element in the equation, training and safety culture are the key ingredients; both which are driven by corporate culture.
In other words (I'll make it easy for you since you can't grasp it), if you don't have corporate accountability for the safety culture and training at any carrier, it won't matter how much experience you bring to the table.
Originally Posted by
Too Beaucoup
My original post really wasn't about dissecting why Colgan crashed an airplane, but since you want to go there.. Colgan hired a guy who pulled back on the controls, and every pilot who was involved in checking, and instructing this individual could share just as much blame as Colgan the company or the FAA for looking the other way. It is quite obvious some pilots in a position to prevent an accident and encourage a safer operation LOOKED THE OTHER WAY when it came to this particular captain.
So like Mr Cohen from the RAA, you blame the pilots for this accident, and dismiss the fact that the absence of a safety culture at Colgan led to the accident itself...WOW! You must be a college student playing X-BOX, because even a private pilot can read an accident report and connect the dots. The bigger problem though, is that the feds knew all along and they looked the other way, which clearly illustrates the point that a single list won't have as much impact into safety, if you don't have regulatory compliance and enforcement at the corporate level. This whole concept is encapsulated by Safety Management Systems (SMS), I suggest you do a little reading into it, because a single seniority list won't fix the problem, but SMS might if it's done correctly.
Originally Posted by
Too Beaucoup
You're the one posting a bunch of non-sense about how you want to see enforcement at the corporate level at the same time as stating the obvious that we operate in a heavily regulated business. Airlines get fined all the time. What more do you want? Would you like people to be arrested? Banished from aviation? Do you want to write people tickets with a little ticket book? Go start a THERE MUST BE ENFORCEMENT AT THE CORPORATE LEVEL thread.
Clearly the whole concept is above your head. You shouldn't start threads if you can't accept different points of view. It really strikes to your credibility or lack thereof.
Originally Posted by
Too Beaucoup
The disease is pitting pilots against pilots, and disrupting the flow of knowledge, and experience between generations of pilots because of large gaps in levels of experience at the regionals and the major/legacies.
The solution is getting everyone at a particular operation under the same tent. No it isn't going to be easy, in fact it may not even be possible considering folks like you are in the way. Someday though, it may happen, but until then we are stuck with what we have been left with by those who came before us.
The ICAO organization has identified corporate culture as the disease, hence it has imposed a deadline for all carriers around the world to comply with SMS by 2012. I tend to take the folks who manage and measure safety a lot more serious than an anonymous poster who is probably just a college kid with a private license pretending to know what his talking about.
Single seniority list in any shape or form is a bargaining tool, not the holy grail of safety.