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Originally Posted by
Lighteningspeed
College degree is required for all professional jobs so why shouldn't it be required for Professional airline pilot jobs? Major airlines require it and Congress wants to make the hiring requirements for regionals equal to majors. So yeah, I think college degree should be required. BTW, military requires it too, if you want to be a pilot. A college degree does not have to an aviation degree.
Originally Posted by
Lighteningspeed
1. Not all majors require College degree.
2. If all Airline pilots would be require to have a College degree then all would have to be paid as professionals. (in the levels the major airlines pay). That is why Regionals do not require a college degree.
I think eventually, pilots will be required to get a security clearance if this CrewPass will become a reality at all US airports.
3. Legal Recidents working as pilot in US airlines have all security clearance and have to do it over and over again every year for recurrent training. I know. I am one of them. We are more security cleared than any US born pilot.
Plus, why should we have to compete with aliens for few pilot positions there are in the US? We can't go over to France, Italy or Germany and get an airline pilot job with Air France or Lufthansa unless we get French or German citizenship
4. Not true at all. All that is required for any US pilot to work in Europe is the same that is required for any European pilot. You have to have Certificates as any European pilot and working permit. You do not need to be for ex German citizen. I know a few American myself working for European Airlines. It may be a specific airline that has that demand but it is no law by any means.
so why should some European pilot come over here and take our jobs?
5. Because pilot jobs are global jobs and Europe, Asia, Africa and South America are full with US-born Airline pilots. If you are able to get a working permit you should be free to work in any place of the world. There are more US-born pilots working outside the US than the numbers of unemployed pilots in the US right now, much more.
All government jobs, law enforcement and related defense contractor jobs also require US citizenship. So it's not a new concept.
6. Those are not global jobs.
A CFI payrate is not relevant to our discussion. Why would ATP requirements lower CFI payrate? There's no correlation. At any case, CFI payrate is not likely to go down. If anything, it is projected to go up along with the cost of learning to fly just like everything else in this country.
An ATP and 1500 hours should be required at a minimum to be hired as an airline pilot and there is no shortage of pilots in the US with this qualifications.
7. A shortage can appear very suddenly and it will come for sure. It has been expected for the last 10 years and only the age 65 rule and the economical situation saved the companies from it. (The companies found the right excuse to cut down flying like never before) In 3 years the 65 rule saving effect will be gone and the economi will be probably at its peak at the same time and the demand for transportation will be even more than 3 years ago. It will be so dry with pilots that the US Airlines will have to recruit outside the US. Remmember that in a year with high demand and high retirement numbers 20,000 to 50,000 pilots can be hired in the US.
You must be an aviation major from one of those schools like Embry Riddle or UND, or Flight Safety International. Otherwise you would not be making a comment like the one you made. I mean you write you don't see why a college degree should be required but if it is required it should be an aviation degree?
8. Pay has to do with it. If you require a formal 4 year college degree you will have to pay that person accordingly. Show me the Regional that wants to pay a pilot what a doctor or a lawyer makes starting out.
So you don't think a college degree will make a better professional pilot unless it's an aviation degree? Your argument holds no logic and thankfully you are in the minority as well as not being a member of our profession. There are thousands and thousands of unemployed US pilots right now and when regional and major airlines start hiring again, there would be no shortage of ATP pilots with part 121 experience. I find it ironic that only people objecting to proposed new hiring requirements are people like you who are not even a professional pilot yet.
9. The amount of unemployed pilots in the US today would just cover the need for one year of hiring at peak levels with top retirement numbers like in 3 years from now. The year after that the aviation colleges would only be able to supply 15 to 20% of the demand.
Last edited by HermannGraf; 02-18-2010 at 04:04 PM.