FTB, I don't think I explained myself correctly. Take our current pay rates which equate to FLYING hour rates and ADD to them the Preflight and Post flight pay. Ex. 3 yr 767 FO pay = 100.29/hr + 50.15 (domestic preflight time of 1 hour prior to scheduled block out) or 75.22 + 25.07 (30 min post flight pay) so a 4 day trip worth 25 hrs would pay 25*100.29+50.15 (75.22 for 1.5 int'l)+25.07 = $2582.47 (7747.41 per mo, $92968.92 annually) as opposed to $2507.25 (7521.75 per mo, $90261 annually). Doesn't seem like much but it's not such a big blow say 60% and will probably slide through. It would be in addition to any other pay raise that would be negotiated not the sole basis of our pay rates. We preflight and in some case post flight for free and should be compensated for it and many other tasks we perform while not on the clock that's all I'm saying. Ideas???