Originally Posted by
FlyJSH
How does 2,000 hours in the pattern flying a 152, 172, Seminole, Dutchess transfer into flying a CRJ, ScareBus or Boeing? I don't see it.
All require positional/situational awareness and basic airman-ship skills. It is so easy to tell the guys who DIDN"T fly all those hours in the pattern: just ask them to fly an old fashioned, not backed-up-with-the-ILS-approach.... especially at night.
From I have read here and heard from other sources, banner towing and skydiving is still legal time, but not always accepted.
It counts toward that first job. I grant that the difference between 500 hours of banners is about the same as 5000, and it may not count as much as flying boxes.
If you buy into a 'academy' type school. Isn't the the goal here, to "train like you fight" for that 121 dream job?
They are selling a product: flight training. So, if I am selling the exact same product as the next guy and charging more, how can I generate customers? By selling this "We train you to be AIRLINE PILOTS!" All most do is make the instructors wear epaulets and ties and retype the checklists to "look just the same as the 121 airlines do."
But the best thing the ATP would do is eliminate those folks who have NO IDEA how to get 1500 hours. And the sweaty, grimy, UNGLAMOROUS jobs (aka. work) required to get those 1500 hours is below most people. Becoming an Airline Pilot will be
just too darn hard 
FLYJSH hit the nail on the head with this. I agree 100%
I have been finding it hard to believe that guys are actually complaining that 121 carriers might require 1500hr/ATP certificate.
Also, tiresome and pointless, is the argument of "how does flying a C-152 for 1500hrs in the pattern help me fly a CRJ". Indirectly, it sure does. I think people are missing the point. I think the 250hr up to 1500hr time building bridge DOES show what kind of pilot you have been. For example, as a CFI you must show responsibility, good judgment, follow FAR's, be on top of WX&MX, even show up to work on time... etc. Next logical step possibly, maybe to sit SIC in a Chieftain, sitting next to an EXPERIENCED guy who teaches and monitors your progress "in the system" dealing with WX, ATC etc. Once some experience is gained, move to PIC maybe and so on. That brings even more responsibility, judgment yada yada...SO THEN, when the almighty interview comes around, the interviewer has more to "measure you up" as to what kinda pilot you have BEEN and might BE. Did you follow FAR's? Bust any FAR's? Run out of fuel? Take off with ice on the wings? Cut corners with MX items? Constantly call in sick? Get fired from every flying gig ya had? THESE are the things I believe the interviewer is looking at and can be reasonably attained after @ 1500 hours or so-HOWEVER you chose to get from 250 to 1500hrs (CFI, Banner tow, charter etc). These things are not measurable for a guy who walks out of an airline training academy or college program- which only shows that he is trainable-an import factor I do agree. That is why I believe there SHOULD be some kind of minimum set before stepping into a 121 environment. Seems like everybody thinks they are ENTITLED to an airline job-there are NO guarantees. When I was first applying, American Eagle's mins were 3500/1500multi-and that was competitive! Ask around- tis' true! AND if you did get a regional job back then, day one in ground school was filling out bank loan paperwork for your training and even your hotel.
If gaining 1500hrs or an ATP seems like the end of the world to you, you *may* want to switch careers. You need a very thick skin. I have been in 121 for only 10+ years and when I log off here I have to file my unemployment claim AGAIN. I am on my second furlough. Also been through one airline bankruptcy and one bad seniority integration. Saddle up!