Originally Posted by
satchip
Denny, I'm glad your are on tonight. I respect your opinions and take you at your word about not selling out. My point is that each individual will vote based on his own self interests. For someone to say they know how a large group of individuals will vote is presumptive at best. What I was saying was not that I know how individuals will vote, but where the group's self interests lie and predicting group behavior from that.
I hope you are right and people like you will prevail. Otherwise I will be out of a job as will a thousand others. I hope you can understand my passion on the subject as well as Bar's (although me may not want to be assosiated with the likes of me since he is far more eloquent).
Satch,
I do understand your passion and concern. I may not be towards the bottom of the list but I DO remember what it was like to be there. It doesn't seem like all that long ago!
I didn't get furloughed in the early 90's but it was definitely a concern when I was seeing agents and other nonpilot personnel get laid off with 20+ years under their belt as well 500 or so pilots. I do remember the angst.
I cannot say how any one will vote other than myself and all I can say is I will vote against any scope concession beyond what has already been given. Enough is enough and I've had it.
It's a fine line you are using to distinguish your argument from what you were saying to keenster. That's the last I will say about that!
I do think scope has become a front burner issue with more than just the people posting on this forum. I just changed councils to the one close to home (didn't have one close prior to the merger) and went to my first ALPA meeting in years. I can tell you that my reps are VERY concerned about job retention and creation. I hope all the MEC is concerned.
I'm a fairly pragmatic guy and realize we will not get everything we want in the next contract. But I do expect big improvements in scope, pay, scheduling etc. I look forward to the time when we can be debating the merits (and demerits) of a tentative agreement on this forum. I have learned a lot from the discussions here and expect I will be all the better educated, by both sides, to form my opinion of a potential new contract.
Anyway, I can promise you I will vote against any thing that relaxes scope any further.
Denny