Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I'll burn the house down for 76+1, any extra pound, or any extra jet. Just sayin...

Originally Posted by FIIGMO

I am confused why we have to have a 76+ a/c Capt. make $x amount more or less than a certain FO on the pay scale. (I am all for maximum pay but lets get the flying first under the best terms possible) If the market rate of the aircraft is $x then we would be better to go to the company and say we will fly it for $x plus... not tie it to an FO rate that may be way above market rate. Now as a 10 year RJ Captain before I got to Delta making above 100K I know that aircraft can support a pretty good pay rate. I say just get them on the property and start raising the floor. Just make the 76+ a/c the entry equipment at better than market rates and open domiciles where pilots will want to fly them and have aggressive yearly increases. Name the city and guys will fly it for market rates rather than commute. DFW, MCO, CVG, DEN, SAN, SBA etc........

Get them on the property first. If a pilot wants to fly it based in XXX great, if not then it goes to the next junior pilot. Find the trade offs that are acceptable and capture the flying. JMHO.

Originally Posted by Scoop

That would have to be a mainline aircraft. Look, I don't think we should spend a lot of effort trying to recapture 70 seat flying - that ship has sailed, but lets hold the line where it is now. We really need to look forward - if the company wants to operate a 96 seat jet with 12 First or BE seats great, but it will be flown by DAL pilots IAW our current contract.
I realize the economics on some of the smaller jets favor DCI but two things are often overlooked:
1. DCI would be losing money on them also if it wasn't for fee for departure, so saying DAL would lose money operating them seems to be at least a partially hollow argument.
2. Jet Blue is operating 100 seat jets at mainline without premium seating at rates very close to our DC-9 rates. If our mangement is as good as a lot of guys on this forum think they are- we should at least be able to match them with premium seating and everything else that comes with the worlds largest network.

Don't forget guys a lot of mainline personnel service DCI flights. Contract employees are contract employees, with similar costs, for mainline and DCI, ie cleaners, mechanics etc.

One final point on Scope for pay-rates. Pay rates come and go - when was the last time Scope moved in our favor?

With all of that said Scope is just one issue among many that are all very important to DAL Pilots. Yes, I think it is one of, if not, the most important issue, but I still want our Reps to look at everything, fight management when appropriate, and work with management when that is appropriate.

Scoop

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

I agree with PG, any scope concession tied to any sort of pay raise is a flat no. I say do not even bring it to the pilot group to vote no. Save your time.