Originally Posted by
forgot to bid
You can put a face to scope erosion on the bottom by simply saying "look outside..." "no sir, that is not an Airbus, its an Embraer..."*
But until we can put a face on scope on the top end we just won't get as much attention as it should from the whole group, top to bottom, left to right.
*not making that one up at all. Its a small percentage of people you fly with who don't pay attention but it always worries you that your sample might be skewed and that too many might not be engaged.
Originally Posted by
tsquare
Your passion for scope is admirable.. until you enter the class envy (for lack of a better term) into it. Then your credibility goes straight to the cess pool. It probably won't affect metoo much if we give the 100 seaters to DCI... probably... but it will pi$$ me off no end to see DCI pilots flying OUR colors on jets that are no more regional than the space shuttle, so please.. back off your generalisations. I'm behind the effort 100% absolutely without reservation, but the reality is that there are some guys at the top that aren't as interested as you and I are... they never will be. Not anymore than you are in giving them.. me a fully funded DB plan back... we all have some differing interests. That's just the way it is. Personally, if I don't see a reserve system that truly recognizes seniority in ALL apsects of bidding and trip assignment/pickup, I am voting no to any contract I am faced with, and I have NEVEr been a single issue voter before. 2015 will be different. Sorry.. rant over.
T... you got post 29615 from handsome me, but you missed my dribbling post 29704:
Originally Posted by
forgot to bid
Try and come up with your own, its easy.
100% of us are concerned about what happens ahead of us on this list, the question is what percentile is worried about what happens behind us?
We've got some great senior folks that are willing to chime on this forum or speak up on the line, we just need to encourage that. I'd say "Go VOLS!" to one but its more pallatable to say "Screw Kiffin and USC!" 
Colors added for attention.
imho, we (speaking about all Delta pilots here) should all be concerned about what happens at the top (i.e. widebody scope) and if you're not then you're nuts or clueless. Now, by whatever measure you classify the bottom dwellers (<250, <500, <1000, <5000, etc), we are gravely concerned about regional scope because we fear it might be erroded for a supposed gain elsewhere. Not only that, but there might be a justification for it that many buy. Now, for our sake we need the guys at the top (>50%?) that honestly don't have to be concerned but we bottom feeders really need them to be if we're going to prevent any scope erosion. As Captains' and a few in the training department are fond of telling me as a warning "this is a Captains airline" and if you're going to make anything better you have to have the Captains involved and not just the 500 hour wonder boys on the bottom of the list... although we don't have any 500 hour wonder boys.
I think I've been consistent in my posts and if thats not what has been conveyed then I apologize. As to the Airbus-Embraer thing, it happened to me once on the ER and I've had similiar conversations on the 88. I promise you I'm not making that up. The good thing is that it normally only takes a second to explain what the Ejets are for guys not to like why they're there. I've not necessarily had the conversations Satch has posted but I'd agree bringing back pensions are probably the #1 goal of more people then I would've thought although I'd guess its a tiny fraction.
As to single issue voters, including us on the bottom concerned about scope, here is a warning - would you ever buy a car based just on what your monthly payment is?
btw, we're approaching 30,000.