Originally Posted by keenster

To us the way things are now is 1 step forward and 2 steps backward but that is what we have to do. So we do it. The incredible part of the whole thing is how we are told to shut up and sit down all the way thru the chain of command starting with the high up VPs of flt ops all the way down through the regular line guys on this forum. Bottom line is that, it is the whole pilot's group loss that a more open dialogue is not the case. It is just the culture and not any one person's fault. I only hope that someday things might improve in this arena but I am not going to hold my breath. Until then I will just revert to the all important only 1 PIC this is a captains airline. However I would venture to say no DAL-S captain has taxied back into the gate in ATL when load control decides to have a 5000 pound pad on MTOGW and leave nonreves behind. We did and they could not believe it. Turning the 747-400 around back to the gate and putting the nonrevs on was a beautiful thing. Just a couple of north guys venting--you have no idea!!!!!!!!!!!!