Originally Posted by
NERD
Either you are flame bait or ignorant of the facts.
I understand your emotional involvement in this issue, but it will be resolved by cold, hard facts and reason not emotion. While it is obvious my post conflicted with your world view, several of your statements, while containing elements of truth, don't tell the whole truth or consider all the facts. I won't respond to all of them due to time limitations, but here's a few thoughts:
Originally Posted by
NERD
Reality is our contract costs are on par with the lccs.
On par is not the same as equal to. Profits margins in the airlines are razor thin and a difference of a cent per passenger seat can make or break an airline's competitive edge.
Originally Posted by
NERD
Don't believe the rhetoric about pilot pay. We are a very small percentage of the cost of an airline.
The APA Kool-Aid always look at their contract in the microcosm of itself. AMR looks at it as part of the entire airline operating cost. If all employee contracts were identical, do you really believe both AA and SWA would be equally profitable?
Originally Posted by
NERD
One thing they don't have is the anchor of 100s or high seat mile cost rjs. Legacy mgmts now realize the less than 70 seat or so platform has a limited use(probably less than half of what is out there nationwide).
More Kool-Aid since it only paints a partial picture. Two thoughts here.
First, it's misleading to dismiss something when it isn't considered in full context. If someone is prejudiced against a race horse, then hobbles it for a race, they can easily say "See? I told you it was a lousy race horse". Scope limitations hobble airlines. They are important for pilots since the purpose of scope (and unions, for that matter) is to protect jobs, but it is a hobble nonetheless.
Second, we all know the more seats in an airliner, the lower the proportion of labor costs. However, this only applies to
filled seats. Furthermore, those
filled seats must be sold at a minimum fair market price or higher. It doesn't make financial sense to fly a 767 from Peoria to Jacksonville with only 30 people on board and each only paying the fractional cost of their single seat (i.e. 1/181th or however many seats are onboard).
The bottom line here is to follow the money, not the rhetoric. Airlines, like any other corporation are money engines. It's all they do. If an airline, or other corporation, doesn't make money, then investors bail and it eventually fails. Managers who don't make money for the corporation are replaced, therefore they only do things which make money for the corporation. They make mistakes, but their goal remains the same: chasing the Almighty Buck. If any portion of the company isn't making money, it's ditched. This includes RJs, 70 seaters or a larger aircraft like the old AWA's 747 PHX-NRT flight. If it's a money loser, it won't last. If the company keeps it, then it's making money for them whether they'll admit it or not.