Originally Posted by
NuGuy
Whew, touch a nerve there?
Irregardless the grievance, the fact of the matter is that it was filed PRIOR to the merging of the MECs, which makes this a northside grievance.
Any and all issues concerning should be the sole purview of northside pilots.
Not to mention, win or lose, this grievance doesn't affect a single south guy in any way, shape or form. If you don't like the grievance, fine, just sit on the sidelines and let the north custodian close it out. But don't run interference for the company. That's just being full of douche.
If you don't understand this, then the missteps that the MEC administration made over the KW issue, as well as others (cough...MOU 7...cough), will continue, and they will needlessly irritate north pilots.
Nu
That attitude is why this MEC and this pilot group will fail if things don't change. You have one MEC and one administration. Either they act in unison or we will be picked apart just like what happened in the Red/Green book issues at your union. There is no such thing as a "north" issue any more.
The grievance does affect me. If we go and embarrass ourselves in front of an arbitrator so you can "get your day in court" it means that the next valid case we have will get less credibility from the arbitrators and that may cost me money.
I know that the North pilots like the narrative that the South pilots live in a bubble world where management just hands us roses for the fun of it. We had a very contentious relationship with management through the mid 90's and all the way up through the end of bankruptcy when both sides decided that there had to be a better way. Delta was way too close to liquidation in December 2005 for anyone to feel comfortable with the old status quo.
During the contentious times, we amassed a record over a few years of 69-4 in major arbitrations. We recovered millions in damages. Many other cases were settled due to our record. We built that reputation based on the fact that when we brought a case to an arbitrator, it was serious and we had an excellent chance of winning. The arbitration community knew this and it affected how subsequent cases were handled.
Now, you want to blow that for the entire pilot group because of political shenanigans and this victim mentality that you like to wallow in. Everyone knows you had a tough time with all of the changes. You are not the first pilot group that has been merged/acquired or whatever you want to call it now. Get over it.
I do notice that you don't even address the merits of the case that I wrote about. What is your defense? What is the case here? Where am I wrong? You address none of these but just make a case that North pilots are so special they need to be treated differently than any other pilot group in any other merger.
I am not running interference for the company and that argument is just weak emotionalism. There are valid reasons why this idiotic grievance should not be filed and those reasons all benefit the union and not the company. The company faces no risks at all because even a first year law student would read the facts of the case and just giggle at the insanity of the claim. The union faces all the risks and that is why we should drop it.
You bring up MOU 7 and again it is just another example of why you are so wrong. That whole mess was not about whether there would be more jobs or less. It was not about whether North or South pilots would get the jobs. It was all about a fight between Red and Green book pilots trying to knife each other in the back over the same jobs they have been knifing each other in the back over for the last 20 years. And now you think the best thing for our union is to bring that sort of internal fight and division to the Delta pilots. Awesome, that's just what we need.