Originally Posted by
CFItillIdie
Chuck Yeager period dot
I probably have buddies at your airline, so let me know your name so I can have them tell you. Listen, I'm not here to make friends because I have them already. But if you are going to try and make subtle attacks on dudes for having a strong and unpopular opinion on things, that shows character. I understand that a lot of dudes on here have bro's that are on the street, and I have compassion for anyone who loses a job without it being their doing. But I do not have compassion for dudes who collect a check and sit on the couch with no desire to get back down in the trenches and do some stalls and falls. That would require two things, 1) Determination and 2) Luck to find a school that will take them knowing that they will be gone as soon as they get their number called.
And those are the people I respect. So if you are going to show solidarity and turn a blind eye to those who have no determination to further their professionalism, then YOU are part of the problem. I understand this is a tough market for even CFI's, but where there is a will there's a way.
What I am advocating is that if the airlines are going to have this standard where they are going to hold high minimums they should consider everyone who has a flying job and high flight time first. The dude that got furloughed after two months of being on reserve AND who has not been flying for a year plus, should not be ahead of the dude that has been teaching stud's in the clouds on IFR plans every day, and risking their necks to let students go from VFR to IFR pilots for the past couple of years. Tell me who you would rather be flying with? Dude who has been sitting on the couch popping bon bons collecting a check, or the guy who is a go getter who has been teaching for ~2 years that is above ATP mins? Are you honestly asserting that young furlough who was fed enough bananas to pass a 121 will be better than someone who has maybe 141 schooling, college degree, military background and maybe a little life experience? I don't think so. Wow, talk about a run on sentence....
I am gonna get off the soap box here in a hot second, but here is the deal, I am not here to **** in anyone's Cheerios, but I am tired of seeing people on here talk about how they feel that every single dude who's furloughed deserves to get hired to another airline over someone who is well qualified with high PIC time. Who cares if it is in a 172 or a C90. They have paid their dues somehow. If you are furloughed and don't have a current flying job, what have you been doing to improve yourself? That is my question. If you can answer that better than I can, then you deserve the job.
1500 TT 500 ME Current flying job or recent relevant flight time. Thats my opinion. And PM me if you want my name. I'll give it to ya.
Wow you are completely clueless. Lets take my scenario I am "just sitting on the couch collecting unemployment" as you put it. I have 3500 hours in the CRJ of which over 1000 as the captain. I am now furloughed from NetJets having been there for over 2 years. I have applied for every job under the sun (within reason for my situation wife in Medical school and baby on the way.) As far as CFI'ing well you said it yourself that you have been waiting for 2 years, not a lot of CFI jobs out there. Even if there was on in my area again you said it yourself, "they won't hire me because I would bolt as soon as something else came along." As for the guy I want in the seat next to me let me tell you a few stories: Flying with a guy who had been a CFI for 4 years a month or two off of IOE almost stalled the CRJ on base to final going into IAD, the former CFI I flew with during a medical emergency absolutely froze while we were trying to coordinate with ATC, Medlink, and the company, or the former CFI who couldn't talk on the radio to save his life. Conversely I flew with an FO who had been away from flying for 10-15 years but he was formerly at Fed EX, he was one of the best FO's I ever had. Now I understand everybody is different but if it were me I would want the former 121 driver who has experience with thunderstorms, MEL's, EDICTS, Flow restrictions, flown the river visual, has dealt with reduced rest overnights, I could go on and on even if it has been a year or two. Time will tell what happens I'm sure.
Oh yeah I do have a 4 year degree and went through a 141 school, so have a lot of folks on the street.