Caddis,

Those pilots who were hired at DAL or NWA after the DB plans were frozen have seen improvements to the DC plans that were in place on the day they got hired.

The rest of us, hired in a DB world, have had the retirement plan that was in place when we got hired dramatically reduced, via either termination or freeze. That was my point. Any of the pilots hired at NWA or DAL since 2006 have an excellent DC based retirement currently in place.

I'm simply trying to make the point that the new hires have nothing to complain about, when it comes to the retirement section of the contract. Can it go higher? Sure. But ramping up to 14% is a pretty good start.