So do we shoot for the stars right off the bat? Seems to have failed APA so far. But if we don't do so, will we ever get more then our initial request?

This is going to be a really tough contract IMO. With such a large pilot group there are a lot of different pilots who want a lot of different things. The one thing I think we need to be careful of is getting the wool pulled over our eyes. Some guys are so hungry to see $$$ I fear they may overlook other things that are hidden in the details. I sure hope our NC makes sure to keep those bear traps out of any TA's.