Johnso, that is and was my point. The ones that know what we are worth are us and the ones we negotiate against. They want us to agree to less than what that number is, and that is logical and we want to get paid more than we are worth. In the end becomes what our worth is.

I would love to march in Parades like the unionists in NYC do, handing out pies to the parade goers, but in our industry the paying public just does not care. 150K for a job not matter what the requirements for entry or to stay in it means little to someone who makes 50K, 100k, 150K, or a million a year. They vote or shop with their dollars. It comes down to capacity and now much we can logically charge for a ticket.

Pattern barging elevates the costs in any industry. It keeps the players in line. Yes, showing the will to strike or striking may get the ball rolling. A resolve of 12200 pilots does that too. Capacity constraint is good for all. More people want to fly with a finite product and a logical increase of that good ensues. Flooding the market with seats from debt burdened companies forces everyone's hand. Why? They need cash flow to pay the mortgage payment.

We have a given a very strong investment in this company. We want a return on that. We expect our Leaders to lead so that gains by labor and management are sustainable. To do that, we need to keep doing what we are doing and holding our leaders accountable. That is the best way to regain what we have lost. The traveling public will adapt if they want the product.

(On a side note, for far to long the air travel to Disney, HI et al was where the discounts were made to let Joe Public and his family take that dream vacation. Hotels etc did not suffer, we did. It is time to change that)