wow thats not what im saying at all. Im saying the system needs changing. Obviously the pensions type system does not work. Im not debating what the managment did right or wrong with usairways and united. In fact if you go back and read my post I beilive it says that we need to do some sort of gradual change. The older guys can stay on the pensions and the younger guys move to a 401k system.

I dont know if you are informed or not of 401k's but the company will match your contributions up to a certain percentage of your paycheck and the money goes into an acount you control not one the company controls. This even goes towards your argument because then the management can't screw you and pull your retirement. The money is yours.

I am in no way supporting what USAirways and United did to thier employees they need to pay thier employees what they promised but obviously the program does not work. We need alternatives and this way we have control over our own destiny. What happens when companies liquidate and dont even exist any more where are your pensions. With goverment tax payers? After all this is America(or it used to be) where people had freedoms and with freedoms come great responsiblility, I don't want the company in control of my retirement. Pensions just dont work.