Originally Posted by sailingfun

Just to clarify the two crews that were in trouble at JFK. Were not talking a few minutes. One crew was told to expect a 90 minute delay for a deice slot. They blocked the aircraft out. Ramp tower corrected the time to their actual push time and one of the FO's filed a grievance with the union to get the time back. This lead to a investigation on how the time got changed and the gate video and autobahn tapes were pulled. It got ugly from there.
The second time it was a long haul over 12 hour flight. The dispatcher noticed the flight had been on the ground after push for over 2 hours. He called JFK ground to see why the flight was not airborne and try and expedite the flight to avoid the crew timing out. JFK ground informed them that the aircraft was still at the gate and had never pushed. No ones going to hassle you or fire you over 5 minutes or even 15 minutes. Had the copilot in the first crew not filed a grievance it would have never been a issue. The second incident happened within a week or so of the first when things were now highlighted.