Your welcome.. I always had a good relationship with you guys. Yeah it was bad all around. I guess blame can go in all directions. Even though I had my many issues with Checci and CO and our 93 concessions but fast forward to 2005 I did not expect anyone to not go to work or honor our line but I really thought maybe some other group would see that NW was busting an entire workgroup and union. AMFA had a bad rep but you have to understand we were under the IAM and they were a nightmare and we just wanted our own union. But AMFA was too militant for NW and they were hell bent on breaking them. Like someone said they did not want another "ALPA" on the property. But NW did what I thought they would they busted us and used that to threaten the rest of you into concessions and then they filed bancruptcy anyway. I am doing well I am a maint controller at FX took my experience across the street. A lot of guys didn't fair well. Some lost their houses, their families and a few took their lives. So like I told another good pilot Maddog25 I am sorry that I come on here looking to bash NW pilots but I have a wound that wont heal very soon just wish the pilot group made more of an issue of things that were happening. Gotta say one thing NW paid a lot of people off. The media was quiet and 2 FAA inspectors were pulled out of service for flagging problems. Even I have to tip my hat to NW for a hand well played.