Originally Posted by
brakechatter
You don't understand the economics well enough to be commenting. I didn't compare the Great Depression to the last 2 years. I said that the last two years was the worst economic regression SINCE the Great Depression.
There were many reasons that the company didn't furlough. I never said that the reason was the flow. There were multiple reason--the flow being one of them, and a significant one at that. The ROI on furlough is more than 18 months, and some of that is because of the flow agreement.
Speaking of the flow, this statement reflects you lack of understanding as to how the flow works:
Brakes,
Actually, what you wrote was "crisis" not "regression"-
Originally Posted by
brakechatter
We have been through the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
And that statement alone is a "comparison" to the great depression. - I can only reply to what you wrote, not what you meant.
Originally Posted by
brakechatter
There were many reasons that the company didn't furlough. I never said that the reason was the flow. There were multiple reason--the flow being one of them, and a significant one at that. The ROI on furlough is more than 18 months, and some of that is because of the flow agreement.
I actually said the ROI on furloughs was "18 months
(or so)" but I will agree you did cite other reasons besides the flow - However, you were pushing the "flow" as a big proponent for the company not to furlough, hence I keyed on that -
Originally Posted by
brakechatter
The flow has been EXTREMELY valuable.
(...Then you and Bar started talking about farming and lost me frankly!?...
)
As for MY last statement you criticized me for -
"Besides, I don't know many that would've taken anything less than a Capt. position at Compass anyway as a furloughee." -
As for not understanding the flow, maybe I was ambiguous in this statement, or completely incorrect? (Which, if the latter, please correct me?) However, that said, my understanding of the flow is this - I don't recall the exact number but if there are 375 Compass pilots - 175CA and 200F/O AND if DAL was to furlough 375 pilots AND they all flowed then -
175 DAL would get Capt. and 200 DAL would get F/O, pushing ALL Compass pilots out!? - Correct?
Now however if DAL pilots that were furloughed decided to "pass" on the Compass positions, (and I know loads that would "pass" on accepting F/O positions - the bottom 200 of the 375 furloughed) then the former Compass Capt. would/might take the remaining F/O's slots and the DAL main guys and gals that "passed" would just sit on their "unpaid vacations." It's not mandatory to accept the flow! So what did I miss?
Originally Posted by
brakechatter
You don't understand the economics well enough to be commenting.
For a guy with zero debt, I think I have a good handle on it but hey, thanks for dismissing me nonetheless...
Originally Posted by
johnso29
Actually, the two are very similar. There are people waiting in line for food, and it was happening BEFORE the latest downturn. Also, in the depression of the 1930's are you going to tell me that no one had $$, and no one was spending $$? The answer is yes, they DID have $$, & the ones who did were spending it.
Hey Johnso, in the spirit of friendly debate, I still don't believe they are that "similar" at all. Now while I do agree that some people might be waiting in lines, most of them seem to be driving to those food lines in their Mercedes SUV's! And while yes people back in the 30's who had money and spent it, the percentage of those people with disposable incomes back then was much much lower than today!
It's all about priorities was my point - people say they can't afford "food" but they can still buy games and movies and luxuries - if that's the case, it's NOT that bad In the 30's people could afford food and little if anything else!?... People feel too "entitled" these days -"What?! I have to buy the DVD Standard Def version because I can't afford the BLU-RAY deluxe version - that's crap!... Oh wait, I'll charge it, let's get 'em both - good to go...!"
In the immortal words of Chuck - "Good grief!"