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I was speaking in terms of what speed is safe for full forward inputs. Giving them the g limits of the aircraft is about as useful as giving them the timing on the spark plug. Without a g-meter no untrained pilot is going to be able to accurately quantify g-load based on feel.

You're saying the same thing, with different wording. However, this wording does encapsulate multiple control inputs, which can cause non progressive and asymmetrical loading. Both of which Va doesn't protect us for. I still don't know with your negative G assessment.

Like I said, in the cap 10 (with a g-meter that recorded max load) I applied full inputs on all surfaces from Va. Our g-limit was not exceeded in any demonstration. My instructor wanted to, with instrumentation proof, demonstrate that Va was safe for all control inputs.

Either way, I still wouldn't nit pick about this with a student. If they fly in a manner where these few limitations might cause them to rip up the airplane, then chances are good they will never get their private pilot license with me. If they already have it, it is only a matter of time till they kill themselves doing something stupid.


Edit: For the record here, I'm not trying to peel appart what your saying to be a shmuck. I just won't tell a student something I can't verify. I also know that basing verification on a graph, without a complete understanding of the factors used to sketch that graph, can quickly lead to inaccurate conclusions. I simply don't know if a negative push will over stress the aircraft and I won't claim to know this based on a graph that I can't derive from pure numbers.