Originally Posted by
Great Cornholio
..but long story short. You go way over block and duty time of over 15 hours. Does the way over block flying send you up to NR 2?
No, you need CR1 (10 hours), not CR2 (11 hours), because you were
scheduled to operate less than 8 hours in a 24 hour period in this case. While I don't know your schedule for day 2 (or day 0, if this is in the middle of a trip), I'm assuming that since you say you were scheduled for NR1 originally, that was legal, so that would trigger CR1 (10 hours).
Whitlow triggers comp rest over 15 hours of
duty day (because @ 15:01 of duty you now have less than 9 hours of lookback rest in the preceding 24 hours, you therefore are automatically on reduced rest and need compensatory rest when you duty off).
The amount of rest required (reduced, normal, or compensatory) is totally unrelated to the length of your
duty day - it is based on your
scheduled flight time - not actual flight time.
Yes, this means that you can fly 9+ hours in a duty period, trigger the whitlow letter with an over 15 hour duty day, and still only require compensatory rest of 10 hours when you duty off. Because though you flew 9+ hours, you were
scheduled to fly less than 8 hours, which is what determines the length of your rest period (<8 hours flying = 10 hours normal rest). Whitlow then puts you into compensatory rest
based on your original required normal rest (you were required 9 hours, so compensatory is 10 hours).
Originally Posted by
ASAnotASAP
There's one caveat: as far as Whitow is concerned, your duty day ends at the block-in of your last flight. So if your company, for example, adds 15 minutes to block in to obtain your official duty out time, you would not be owed CR in your scenario.
Not so fast. Whitlow does
not define when a duty period ends (block-in or at the end of postflight). There is more to this 'caveat'. As you say, Whitlow only has to do with duty time.
A scheduled postflight is duty time.
The caveat is '121 duty time'. Some shady operations (ie, regionals) say:
'FAR 121 does not require a postflight, only a preflight. The company requires a postflight. Therefore, your postflight is FAR 91 duty, not 121 duty. As such, your FAR 121 duty day ends at block in, not duty off, you are under 15 hours or FAR 121 duty, and you don't need compensatory rest.
While this is playing loose and fast with the intent of the Whitlow letter, it is legal. If your company plays this game, then essentially you need a '15 hour and 15 minute duty day' (including your 15 minute FAR 91 post flight) to trigger Whitlow rest.
It is important to know what is going on here (FAR 91 post flight). Don't just assume your Whitlow duty day ends @ block-in. That is NOT the rule.
Originally Posted by
sandlapper223
Example:
(Company considers duty OFF 15 minutes after block in).
Three days OFF, then
Home reserve day 1 CST 0600-1800
Activated day 1 at 1759 for scheduled CST 1950 departure, arriving at scheduled CST 2146.
Am I legal?
15:46 minutes of scheduled FAR 121 duty, with a 15 minute postflight.
- FAR Part 121 postflight = no, as you leave the gate you will have you have 7:59 of lookback rest, you can't take the flight.
- FAR Part 91 postflight = yes, you will have 18:14 of lookback rest. As you take the runway, check to make sure you are still scheduled to land allowing you to have 8:00 or more of lookback rest. Ie, you can take a 14 minute delay on taxi-out and still be legal.